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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Feb 26, 2009 12:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: mental buckets

I believe Keith Richards once said something to the effect that half of the Rolling Stones songs were variations of Satisfaction – an oversimplification perhaps, but with a kernel of truth.

Although there’s arguable much more variation in the vast Grateful Dead catalogue, some of their songs seem to be of a similar ilk. 2 songs I really love - Althea and West LA Fadeaway – are slotted into the same part of my brain, for several reasons. 1) similar tempo, 2) the wonderful loping, plucky guitar work, and 3) the general image that the lyrics conjure up – a cool, detached man musing on a shadowy/troubled aspect of his life. 2 songs I’m much less fond of – Might As Well and Don’t Ease – also occupy an overlapping space for me. It’s hard to pinpoint others – perhaps Wharf Rat and Stella Blue – and even harder to describe why, but I’m curious if others unconsciously “bucket” songs together.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Feb 27, 2009 5:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mental buckets

Did anyone mention Deal & Loser?

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Poster: barongsong Date: Feb 27, 2009 8:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mental buckets

Yea that is another mental bucket category and on that I slap Ramble on Rose with Tennessee Jed along with Brown Eyed Women with Friend of the Devil in my warped brain. Great post Cosmic

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Feb 27, 2009 7:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mental buckets

And I thought I was the only one! Although they have very different tempos, I always find myself having to consciously think "is this Loser or Deal?" whenever one of them starts. I think it's because they both came out at the same time, and the lyrics have a similar theme.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Feb 26, 2009 2:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mental buckets

I've always sort of liked Might as Well, It is a little weird that when you hear it the 10 million "might as Well"'s tend to stick in the brain.

Words by Robert Hunter; music by Jerry Garcia
Copyright Ice Nine Publishing; used by permission.

Great North Special, were you on board?
You can't find a ride like that no more
Night the chariot swung down low
Ninety nine children had a chance to go

One long party from front to end
Tune to the whistle going round the bend
No big hurry, what do you say?
Might as well travel the elegant way

Might as well, might as well
Might as well, might as well
Might as well, might as well
Might as well, might as well

Ragtime solid for twenty five miles
then slip over to the Cajun style
Bar car loaded with rhythm and blues
Rock and roll wailing in the old caboose

Long train running from coast to coast
bringing long the party where they need it the most
Whup on the boxcar, beat on the bell
Nothing else shaking so you might just as well

Might as well, might as well
Might as well, might as well
Might as well, might as well
Might as well, might as well

Never had such a good time
in my life before
I'd like to have it one time more
One good ride from start to end
I'd like to take that ride again
Again

Run out of track and I caught the plane
Back in the county with the blues again
Great North Special been on my mind
Might like to ride it just one more time

Might as well, might as well
Might as well, might as well
Might as well, might as well
Might as well, might as well

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Feb 26, 2009 3:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mental buckets

I agree... that repetitive chorus sure sticks with you.

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Poster: wineland Date: Feb 26, 2009 3:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mental buckets

Is Might As Well about their train trip they took across Canada in 1970?

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Feb 26, 2009 5:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mental buckets

Is Might As Well about their train trip they took across Canada in 1970?

Absolutely
a trip that is fairly well documented in the Festival express video.

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Poster: wineland Date: Feb 27, 2009 7:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mental buckets

Funny, I've sung along to the song many times, but never put it together. Festival Express was a great documentary.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Feb 27, 2009 3:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mental buckets

Brown Eyed Women and Jack Straw. I don't think the music sounds that similar but I seem to put them together. I believe they were introduced at the same show in October '71 (Keith's first show) and the lyrics sound as if they could be about two scenes from the same era.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Feb 26, 2009 3:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mental buckets

I always thought "Touch Of Grey" and "Bertha" are basically the same groove and feel, but with different chords...

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Feb 26, 2009 3:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mental buckets

Funny I never noticed that connection before, but now that you mention it I definitely see the similarities.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 26, 2009 9:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mental buckets

Huh--me either. I actually don't own a copy of the latter; singing it to myself it doesn't work...is it true from a "musical structure perspective"? I really don't know shit about chords and the rest of that crap...I guess I can see it a bit...

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Feb 26, 2009 11:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mental buckets

WT, as far as structure goes, "Bertha" is a lot simpler than "TOG." The intros of both songs, up until the singing starts, are where they sound most alike. After that, they veer off into different directions. There are a few "TOG"s here at Archive, i'm sure...

I thought of another "bucket":

"Foolish Heart" and "Franklin's Tower". Almost identical in chord changes AND groove...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 27, 2009 6:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mental buckets

Thanks, SCB. It's a pleasure having you around here...

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Feb 27, 2009 8:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mental buckets

Thanks, Tell, that's nice to hear. The greatest thing about this Forum, compared to others I write on, is that here even the TROLLS are Deadheads, and therefore not all bad. :)

"and all the children learning
from books that they were burning..."

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Poster: barongsong Date: Feb 26, 2009 6:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mental buckets

How about Iko Iko and Women r Smarter. Stella Blue and Standing on the Moon have a similar tempo and feel also. Promised Land and GSET also hold the same space in my brain for some reason not sure exactly why though. Ditto on Deal and Watchtower possibly because they both have blazing solos in similar spots in the song. Hey that was fun.

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Feb 27, 2009 7:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mental buckets

Hey Barong - Good call on the Promised Land & GSET.... they are both "uppers" - quick bursts of high-octane energy!

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Poster: edgehead 2 Date: Feb 26, 2009 2:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mental buckets

Day Job is a sad rip off of US Blues, that's for sure.

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Poster: Teedawg Date: Feb 27, 2009 2:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mental buckets

Where was that Might as Well opener where they are screaming the chorus over ond over again, really getting into. Jerry is just ripping it up.
I thought it was in Boston or Cape Cod, but I cannot find it

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Poster: dilcurrie Date: Feb 27, 2009 2:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mental buckets

playing in the band and jack straw often sounded indentical for the first couple of seconds in 72-73 live recordings

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Feb 27, 2009 4:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mental buckets

And then there's the whole Looks Like Rain/Black-Throated Wind/(early)Jack Straw intro similarity, which we were arguing, er debating a while back...

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Poster: craven714 Date: Feb 27, 2009 6:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mental buckets

big river>cumberland
works every time

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Feb 27, 2009 6:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mental buckets

Good one - Ramble on Rose hits the same Mental Bucket for me.

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Poster: gaZeebo Date: Feb 28, 2009 11:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mental buckets

Tee - that is 10/29/77 with the insane might as well opener

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Poster: gaZeebo Date: Feb 28, 2009 11:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: mental buckets

Tee - that is 10/29/77 with the insane might as well opener